Wednesday, May 29, 2013

Same Old New Tim

Interleague play is clearly a bad idea. At least, I'm sure the Giants think so. Tonight, our beloved boys lost a crazy one, 9-6 in favor of the A's. That makes it their fifth straight loss against an AL squad and this one was especially painful; we were home and we hit the snot out of the ball. But six runs and 13 hits aren't enough for this pitching staff and defensive squad to protect right now. Especially with Tim Lincecum starting.

Not much analysis is really possible, or needed, when discussing the man we once called The Freak. He just doesn't really know where he is throwing the ball anymore. And by anymore I mean for , oh, a couple years now.  Nothing new. We have seen Tim do this crap ( 4.1 innings, 7 hits, 5 runs, 4 walks ) so many times now I am finally getting immune to the agony of watching it.  Heavy sigh.

Great nights for Blanco, Torres, and Scutaro. Homers by Pence and Pill. That should be a recipe for joy but when you add in three ugly errors, and some pretty skanky pitching, you end up with a foul taste in your mouth.

Guess that calls for a night cap!!  What better way to shake it off, sleep well, and come back for some new punishment tomorrow?  Cheers.


M.C. O'Connor said...

The fielding lapses are especially galling. That, though, should be fixable. On the other hand, I don't know what to say about Tim, he just seems to fall apart. I don't understand why--he still has nasty stuff. He just doesn't seem to be able to put it all together. He even failed to cover first base, something that the rookie Kickham did instinctively the previous night. How does that happen? Where is his head? And what can Jedi Master Righetti do about it?

Oakland is smoking hot right now and making the Giants look bad.

Ron said...

Trade for a decent starter (I'm talking solid #5-type starter .. Ricky Nolasco-ish guy), & move Tim back to his 2012 post-season bullpen role for the remainder of this season. Sign him to a reasonable contract (his value now must be so low), & hope for the best next season & beyond.

Zo said...

@Ron - trade whom? If I understand your proposal, we would need two starters. One to replace Vogelsong and one to replace Lincecum. Whom would you care to give up?

Ron said...

There's always someone in our system someone would want. The modern model of salary dumping is that you have to give up a couple of good prospects to get a good player. To get an OK player, you have to give up a couple of OK prospects. We have a lot of OK prospects.

There are about 5 teams always willing to get rid of salary. Ricky Nolasco is a perfect example of someone who plays for one of those teams. He is in the last year of his contract & makes $9M per year - the Giants could easily afford to take some of that off of the Marlins' books. The Marlins wouldn't think twice about accepting some more crappy players for the opportunity to shed a little payroll.

M.C. O'Connor said...

Nolasco makes $11.5 M and is a free agent at the end of this season. He's a sunk cost. The Marlins don't need to dump him. They are in a great position next year as far as their budget goes--he's their most expensive guy. Their payroll right now is only $50M and assuming no FA signings will be even lower next year. And no one wants "crappy" players. They want cheap players, that is, young guys who are good and "cost-controlled."

Brother Bob said...

Pagan hasn't played since his game-winner a few days ago, and Panda & Posey have gone cold. Only one of the Killer P's (Pence) has contributed anything.

M.C. O'Connor said...

Here's a link to the Giants top 20 prospects.

Who would you trade and what would you expect to get or him?

Ron said...

Nothing is a sunk cost, if you can get another Team to pick it up.

Ehire Adrianza & Andrew Susac are decent prospects with limited chances for advancement in our system. Florida would dump $5 of the Nolasco salary to get either one of them (not both of them). That is how things work now.

Personally, I like Peguero, but, apparently, the Giants don't think much of him. You get quite a bit for him.

M.C. O'Connor said...

Susac is a catcher who can hit and hit with power. If I'm running the system, that's a guy I keep. Imagine Buster's backup in two years being a better all-around player than Hector Sanchez or Guillermo Quiroz.

I can see parting with Adrianza, though the Giants have had him since he was 16. But what is a no-hit SS worth? And Peguero potentially has a future as Torres and Pence are FAs next season. But OFs are "a dime a dozen."

I understand that you have to deal something to get something, and that sometimes what you give up is more than what you get (all trades are risks), but I don't see teams hungering for anyone in the system that isn't Crick, Brown, Panik, or Hembree.

I'd rather wait for the trade deadlines. That's when the "sellers" will emerge. By then, too, the rotation may have settled down and delivered more consistent work, and we'd have a better idea of need.